do you think there are enough banana republicans to force obama to deal with the national debt? will they have to cave on that? >> there are republicans who have stepped up and said, look, we have to be serious about revenue. we believe in middle-class tax cuts as well. start with, we agree. it is important to have that conversation. republicans and democrats have not been talking to reach an agreement. on the debt -- on almost every big decision that we have made in the last two years, democrats have had to have 100 people or more vote to reach common ground. it is when we were together -- >> are there another republicans who would vote to extend the debt ceiling without conditions to allow us to avoid another confrontation? >> let us hope so. look what happened yesterday in the senate. it was so interesting. senator mcconnell said, give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling and we could stop it, but we don't have to affirm. he took him up on it. he said, no, i did not mean it. we will like him to really mean it. it would be helpful to provide that certainty to the